ok, i thought we should talk about #ans. first a bit of history. (sigh i'm sick of re-telling this :)
anyways #ans was started by maestro, then later him, all the legion guys and a few others hung out there. later on the word caught on, and everyone and their mom was in there. yadda yadda yadda, the end.
but now maestro and a lot of the #ans pioneers are gone, except a few. so, the 4 of us got sick of the channel turning into more shit it already was, so we booted the bots that were in there, and brought back amnesias bot.
but then EVERYONE started "i was on the old bots, can you +m me??"
why do people want ops so bad? and why in the hell do people get ops, bitch about wanting +m?
we tried opping a few, that didn't work, we tried opping everyone, that didn't work. so now we sort of are opping a few. and now people bitching again about wanting to run their bots in #ans, and being added and the like.
so i guess my discussion topic is, what's the big deal?
By the fattest pacifist on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 02:13 am:
well, the big deal is, dont op a fuckin person at all and we all be happy together. or something
By Cthulu, a proud opless IRC surfer on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 02:58 am:
Ops are for insecure lamers only.
If you don't like someone, ignore them.
By filth on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 12:21 pm:
ok, before i start rambling i'm sure people will think "gee filth you get ops no matter what, that's easy for you to say" but oh well. :)
anyways i'm on irc right now, and people are asking me for ops.
man, you already have a bunch of people added.
ok, i could just op me with nbkguard, you don't have to add me.. okey with you?
i get this shit all the fuckin time. it's like you do something nice and add one person, then other people bitch. i think the channel should have a max of like 10 ops (the big amt is becuase not everyone would be on at once).
you just can't win. :)
By dangermouse on Thursday, January 28, 1999 - 03:42 pm:
Wasn't there some system at one point in time where current channel operators would vote in a new operator? Surely, if we set ten responsible people as ops in #ans, and say "that's it", who cares if people whine and carry on?
Tough titties I say..
By RaD Man on Friday, January 29, 1999 - 09:22 am:
By Necromancer on Friday, January 29, 1999 - 05:11 pm:
You know, it's a popular misconception that #ans is a "mature" version of #ansi. That it doesn't have power-hungry ego-ridden channel operators.
Well, I'm here to clear the shit from your eyes and show you that they are no different than their
less-righteous #ansi cousins. Let's have a look.
*** join!#ans -> nMANCEr(email@example.com)
*** topic for #ans: z0l0ft: i'm a rich kid, do you have a problem
*** set by -> dieznyik [Thu Jan 28 10:44:04 1999]
<@NBKGuard> -/|- This hours random #ans bbs : underground resistance -> telnet
to lotuslnd.ml.org, it uses renegade Desc: free thought Type: for
nMANCEr> For all?
nMANCEr> What happened to NUPs?
nMANCEr> Or NUVs?
nMANCEr> Or acronym quizzes?
@dieznyik> hey, arent you banned for being stuck in the last decade?
nMANCEr> Hey, shouldn't you be banned for being a prick?
nMANCEr> I'm sorry. I didn't know I wasn't allowed to think for myself.
nMANCEr> Excuse me while I step into your Nazi Regime.
@dieznyik> blatant misuse of fascist references
@dieznyik> insulting an op
nMANCEr> Not really.
@dieznyik> guilty as charged!
*** mode!#ans -> -o+b nMANCEr *!*necrom@*remorse.org by dieznyik
*** kick!#ans -> YOU (| ! | BK) by dieznyik
*** error!#ans -> banned from channel (+b)
Not only is Dieznyik banning me for completely selfish reasons and over a difference of opinion, but he apparently doesn't understand what "fascist references" means. Let's look it up, for those of you that aren't quite as enlightened:
1. a member of a German FASCIST party controlling Germany from 1933 to 1945 under Adolf Hitler.
1. a political philosophy, movement, or regime (as that of the Fascisti) that exalts nation and often race above the individual and that stands for a centralized autocratic government headed by a dictatorial leader, severe economic and social regimentation, and forcible suppression of
So. In other words, my use of the term "Nazi Regime" as it relates towards Dieznyik's abuse of power over an
OPINION was CORRECT.
Therefore, I have come to two conclusions:
1. #ans is no better than #ansi. The only difference is that the #ansi REJECTS hang out in #ans, which is
PATHETIC enough, because #ansi is pretty sad.
2. Dieznyik is a complete and utter ego-ridden idiot that misuses terms he pretends to have intricate knowledge
of, e.g.; fascism.
By filth on Friday, January 29, 1999 - 10:13 pm:
calling #ans a channel full of rejects because of diez, is like #ansi sucks soley becuase of teegee :)
By dieznyik on Saturday, January 30, 1999 - 12:45 pm:
i am not a reject! =)
[deleted numerous lines of texty rambling]
naw, i just don't care enough to reply. at least i'm a good ego-ridden fascist son of a bitch. go back to #ascii =).
By inclusive on Saturday, January 30, 1999 - 12:50 pm:
i want to share this story:
i have soap for my face, and it isnt clearasil cause i didnt have that anymore, and if i blow air out of my mouth while the soap is on my face, i can blow bubbles with sometimes a diameter of 10 inch!
By dangermouse on Saturday, January 30, 1999 - 06:00 pm:
inc, that is truly amazing..
By lickboy on Saturday, January 30, 1999 - 11:48 pm:
I used to be able to like.. make huge soap bubbles in the shower in the space between my elbow and my body.. like... oh never mind I'm not about to explain it in detail
By Cthulu of Mistigris on Sunday, January 31, 1999 - 02:48 am:
Necromancer: in your advocation of elite institutions such as NUPs and NUVs, you exhibit an equal admiration for fascist artifacts as Dieznyik - perhaps even moreso given that your misplaced nostalgia would prevent the masses from entering the BBS while you were permitted entrance to the IRC channel and only booted once you became a belligerent name-caller.
I hate to steer these discussions back to matters more serious than faces made of soap but geez, check to see that you have a legitimate platform to argue from before getting on the soapbox and lobbing wads of shit.
By maestro on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 09:21 am:
#ans is a disgrace now. you guys totally ruined what I started.
By RaD Man on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 11:42 am:
Any time now Dangermouse, start logging IP addresses. Please.
By dangermouse on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 01:24 pm:
Why, has someone pretended to be someone else?
By crayONOFF on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 02:28 pm:
I think he's trying to say that what "maestro" said, doesn't sound like maestro.
By BD on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 03:20 pm:
Well since everyone is chiming in now so will I. One if that is maestro well buddy you ruined #ans when you announced it to the public from that day forawrd people have flocked to that cahnnel. In the begining it was a nice refugee camp from ansi but now it's almost a concentration camp ansi style. When you annonced it to the world even all the takeovers began. However let's not dwell on the past. Well let's see now mostly ans is still about art but people keep bitching about ops, Well yanno what everyone had ops it didnt work, now only a few people have ops and it doesn't work you just can't make some people happy. All I know is the way things are going another takeover will be on the horizon and this time when everyone comes a running , bd won't be there to save the day
By BD-to-English translation software v.98 beta on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 06:00 pm:
I don't know when to keep my mouth shut even when I have nothing to say.
For something to be useful it cannot be used. (?) Though the object in question (#ans) was used, and well, for quite some time, [insert inappropriate WWII analogy here.]
When people knew how to use the object they wanted to be the only ones to use it, but that's not important. Now people want to have contol over it. There is no solution because two alternatives have been tried and neither has satisfied everybody.
Because the current system is unfeasible I can't be relied on to maintain it.
By RaD Man on Monday, February 1, 1999 - 09:56 pm:
"Why, has someone pretended to be someone else?"
If my 1 1/2 yr old son was using my dial-up account last month on his own, then no. If Corky reads www.acheron.org, then no. If Maestro really wrote than, then no.
By maestro on Tuesday, February 2, 1999 - 04:14 am:
Heh, I didn't write that but I agree with it so I'm not complaining. :) As long as I don't start seeing stuff like "HI! I'M MAESTRO AND RADMAN IS MY LOVER!" type stuff I don't care.
By filth, ahahahahahahahahaa on Tuesday, February 2, 1999 - 11:44 am:
bd i was just wondering if you were bending over when you wrote that? i'm assuming that #ans was made public to, oh i don't know, let people know about it. even if it wasn't posted on acheron, people would have found out anyways.
"All I know is the way things are going another takeover will be on the horizon and this time when everyone comes a running , bd won't be there to save the day "
bahahahaha, man, i'll be laughing over this for a long, long time.
By ahahaha, filth on Tuesday, February 2, 1999 - 11:46 am:
ahahahahahahaha, oh man. funny stuff.
By Necromancer on Tuesday, February 2, 1999 - 02:04 pm:
I was not making any claims to my own personal beliefs. You're staring too hard at the trees, and are blind to the forest.
Try not to pick apart my message. Instead, try reading it and viewing the sum of it. And for a brief synopsis of what the POINT of my message was: #ans is not what they boast to be.
That is all. Nothing about Fascism or Nazi propoganda. Just that they are fooling no one but themselves. I assume that you are also affiliated with that offshoot channel.
And about me calling him 'names' .. I was provoked. I was merely reminiscing about the days of old. I remember how when I used to just FIND a phone number, and then search everywhere for the NUP, it gave me a feeling of satisfaction that is missing from this pseudo-scene that we have now. That is all I was implying. He then uses subtle insults, to which I respond. Calling someone a prick is a far cry from "asshole" or "shithead."
And for the record, elitism does not equal fascism. If that were so, then every job that puts an advertisement in the paper with specific requirements would be coming from a fascist or Nazi corporation. That is simply not so.
ACiD. Remorse. Your Mother.
By dieznyik on Wednesday, February 3, 1999 - 12:48 am:
hell, what do we boast to be? some kind of free community? a democracy? not that i'm aware of.
i dont see why this has to get into any sort of intellectual discussion wasting valuable thought processes that could be spent on creative ventures. it probably wasn't right for me to kick you, necro, and i was mostly basing it on the fact that you had been on perma-ban for days previous... in any case, i think i removed the ban quick, like i normally do.
as for the destruction of maestro's dream channel... well, what can u do when u live in a shoe?
i think the worst part about the nazi regime was the populace acting like sheep. you can expect evil people: they happen. but the complacent nature of the german people, and the world, was what let things get truly out of proportion.
might we relate this to the scene and say, hey, everyone is a bunch of sheep? adolf rad man creates the group structure and *bang* everyone is still doing the same thing years down the road.
PFFT... prolly best not to bring nazis into the discussion =)
have a nice one, triple nipple
By maestro on Wednesday, February 3, 1999 - 04:31 am:
You can always count on diez to relate facism to the ansi scene. I guess I can see the similiarities.. Uhh.. Yeah..
By BD on Wednesday, February 3, 1999 - 10:12 pm:
Hm Yanno what really needs to be figured out? Dyingsoul either he is in or he is out make a damn choice :)
By crayONOFF on Wednesday, February 3, 1999 - 11:21 pm:
he is fucking out. hate him. make him go away.
and for once, i'm not the only one who thinks this. he's funny, cause always when i ban him, he's gonna act all cool and not beg _ME_ for an unban, instead he goes and bugs filth until filth gives in or some shit... he doesn't realize that in the end i'll know he begged for an unban anyways, cause filth always pastes :)
By BD on Wednesday, February 3, 1999 - 11:38 pm:
Well then ban him on the bots
By fever on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 12:05 am:
I feel like He-Man, I am the +master of the universe!@ I HAVE THE POWER!@$#$ WHOA, This is k-fucking-rad, my first ever post on acherons bases. This is like part of my warhols 15 minutes of fame right? HEY LOOK EVERYONE I'M ON ACHERON BASES! GO DRAW
By DyingSoul on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 12:10 pm:
crayon, why I won't 'bug' you for a unban?
first of all, I hate you, and everything you do.
second of all, I'm not begging.
I don't even see why people keep giving you ops, you're not on the bots.
filth is on the bots, that's why I asked him insted of you.
By crayONOFF (dialup78-4-31.swipnet.se - 220.127.116.11) on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 03:17 pm:
Do I care if you hate me? Kiddo, i don't know if you noticed.. But I keep banning you and owning you in arguments all the time cause I hate you back.. I hate all of you brethren too.. And yes you're begging, in your own wannabe-funny way of commanding filth to unban you.. just so i can have the pleasure of banning you myself.
Why I get ops? Maybe cause some people think I happen to mean more to the scene than you do?
By maestro (yellow.javanet.com - 18.104.22.168) on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 03:45 pm:
Dude. You guys need to grow up. I can't believe you would even use the word hate in such a petty argument. How could you hate eachother when don't even KNOW eachother? Give me a break.
By dieznyik (ppp15946.on.bellglobal.com - 22.214.171.124) on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 04:40 pm:
dyingsoul likes that word, 'hate'... you hate me, you hate this, i hate you ... ta ta.
yah my use of fascism is on the sarcastic side, wake up! it doesnt relate! its inaccurate! we're not describing the scene to a bunch of jewish reporters so we dont have to say 'such and such has the aspects of fascism'... thats what im sayin y0e!
you dont draw, maestroke, do ya?
By maestro (yellow.javanet.com - 126.96.36.199) on Thursday, February 4, 1999 - 05:01 pm:
i don't draw as much as i used to simply because i don't have as much time as i used to. however i still do load up acid draw occasionally and play. so yes i draw, just not for the masses. the enjoyment i used to get out of releasing my ansis to the world got lost somewhere in the midst of "WAH's!" and "BOO HOO's!" and as a result, everything i draw remains on my harddrive for me to look at and go "wOW! dAS nEAT!@". i have no intentions of drawing for another group and if i do decide to ever release any ansi art to the public it's going to be under a title that
pays tribute to the coolest group i have ever been a part of.. the legion. for now don't hold your breath.
shake what yo momma gave you.. uH!
By hiro protagonist (van-port174.imag.net - 188.8.131.52) on Saturday, February 6, 1999 - 06:09 am:
If #ans sucks so bad, as you all seem to keep on saying, why not just to go #nsi or something and not tell the lame-o's?
Me, I'll be in #ascii, thanks anyhoo..
By Necromancer (sjc-pm3-ppp62.qpt.com - 184.108.40.206) on Saturday, February 6, 1999 - 01:20 pm:
As usual, word to Hiro.
And yes Dieznyik, I agree. People are sheep. "Sheeple," if you will. It was through the apathy and complacency of the masses that allowed tyrannical rule to come to power. But such is human nature, and for the most part, unavoidable.
Why bother running a channel separate from #ansi if it's the SAME as #ansi, is my point.
And hey. Maestro. Do me an ascii for the Remorse 4 year anniversary pack. NOW!#!$!#@@!
ACiD. Remorse. Your Mother.
By maestro (yellow.javanet.com - 220.127.116.11) on Saturday, February 6, 1999 - 11:58 pm:
i second that word to hiro thing.
By inclusive ( - 18.104.22.168) on Sunday, February 7, 1999 - 04:20 am:
i wont bother you with soap stories anymore (if you want them, then mail me), but i wanted to say that a lot of irc channels are lame, or even 'unnecessary', but i can still have a good time hanging in #ans with my homies so shut up
By Inazone (ip182.msp.primenet.com - 22.214.171.124) on Monday, February 8, 1999 - 01:38 pm:
Everybody should know by now that if you want something resembling order on IRC, go to a specific group's channel. It's not a guarantee that there won't be stupidity, but usually someone has something bordering on a clue. For instance, #ice and #dark have been home to quite a few intelligent conversations lately, and nobody begs for ops. If you're in that group, maybe you get ops. It's slick as KY, without that greasy feeling.
Yes, #ans started out great. "Going public" shouldn't have to equal turning to shit, but these things happens. 15 year-old ansi fanboys dish out ops the same way interns suck dick to the top. "Oh baby, oh! I opped that elite do0d and now I'm his buddy! Maybe he'll be a guest artist in my grewp SaC!" I think a good way to decide if someone should have ops is to give them ops and see how they react to beggars, hacqu3rZ, etc. If they can handle it, good for them.
I think #ans could still be an OK place for ansi artists, but the people that CAN keep it under control should be the only ones with that power. Not to go overboard on this, but isn't it better to be feared than to be loved when you're in charge? Word to Niccolo Machiavelli.
By BD ( - 126.96.36.199) on Monday, February 8, 1999 - 03:34 pm:
Inazone expand your horizons to #lit and #hirez :)
By filth (svcr-247ppp155.epix.net - 188.8.131.52) on Tuesday, February 9, 1999 - 03:43 pm:
inazone, well i think #ans is ran pretty good now. there's not really that much bitching anymore. the only complaint i have is that people ask to be added to the bots too damn much. :)
By rippa (melnc01.bigpond.com - 184.108.40.206) on Wednesday, February 10, 1999 - 01:54 am:
OH I GET IT, THIS IS ALL JUST ONE BIG BITCH FEST. BITCH THIS BITCH THAT!! BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH BITCH.
blow me, '99.
By warpus (gateway-g1.londonlife.com - 220.127.116.11) on Wednesday, February 10, 1999 - 06:38 am:
in my opinion you'll always have problems with ops in a large channel such as #ans, unless you organize it well... set up a voting committee, hold weekly meetings, release an #ans newsletter, hrm, what else, set up a discussion base about the channel, and have bots greet everybody who joins.. "hi, welcome to #ans warpus! have a great day! we hope you enjoy your stay!" or just leave it the way it is now and shut the fuck up.
seriously, i haven't had many problems in #ans. the only thing that i suggest is, if somebody asks for ops - kick them. ops are only a status thing, and we are mature enough not to need that. after all, we are all here because art is FUN!
By Quip (cap-025.capcollege.bc.ca - 18.104.22.168) on Wednesday, February 10, 1999 - 09:02 am:
Yeah, kicking them will completely obliterate any feeling of status =)
By warpus (gateway-g1.londonlife.com - 22.214.171.124) on Wednesday, February 10, 1999 - 11:42 am:
ok, i've got another idea.
the people that run the channel should have nothing to do with ansi altogether. we should have overlords watching over us.. people who don't care about what we do, and don't need status in the ansi scene. people like..
as you can tell, this issue isn't too important to me :) i'd rather play racquet ball.. mmm.. hey, is that how you spell racquetball?
By cronik (ppp181-as0-melbourne.alphalink.com.au - 126.96.36.199) on Thursday, February 11, 1999 - 09:21 am:
man this is some pretty funny shit.. ops? hmm who gives a shit. start up your own channel! fuck, start up your own #h4x0r or something and give ops to everyone.. man all i can say is, i just read 100+ messages of cunts hanging for ops.. damn! it might be a public channel that you can go into and idle, but if your not on the bots, if your not wanted on the bots, and if you drew one ansi back in 1994 and havent drawn since, big fuck!!@# its upto the dudes who run the bot - filth, fever etc etc.. to put you on the bots or to op you, if they dont want to op you then bad luck.. i mean, its only an @ next to your name, but the thing is, YOU JUST WANT THE POWER TO BAN PEOPLE YOU HATE..
example of the bitching that goes on in #ans. this happened now.. as i am writing this
add me to the bot
that was actually said by someone, no names mentioned cause i cant be fucked getting cunts bitching to me.. but seriously? i think (and alot of people also do) that the channel is run good.. goto #nsi like hp said (i think) be leet.. have your ops.. but if you think the channel is cool, then stay in and dont fucking beg for ops..
By Argon (wlv-a4-d0013.ftel.net - 188.8.131.52) on Thursday, February 11, 1999 - 11:10 am:
Split the order of "Eliteness" by making the channel +m. +v everyone who is cool, instead of +o.. give +o only to a few people who know what they're doing.
That way insecure people can feel eleet without having ops.
By Cthulu of Mistigris (cr618396-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com - 184.108.40.206) on Friday, February 12, 1999 - 12:49 am:
I still say: have no ops, not even bots. If you don't like someone, you ignore them.
By filth (svcr-247ppp33.epix.net - 220.127.116.11) on Friday, February 12, 1999 - 12:30 pm:
cth i think that's kinda cheesy reasoning. :)
personally i wouldn't want to have no ops or bots and have morons come in, idle forever, say dumb shit all the time, etc...
By Cthulu of Mistigris (cr618396-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com - 18.104.22.168) on Friday, February 12, 1999 - 03:51 pm:
you can have bots (to make sure the channel is occupied and prevent anyone from GETTING ops) but the bots themselves don't need ops.
If morons idle forever, no one is hurt (and it's not like the status quo has done anything to prevent idling) and as for idiots saying dumb shit... I wasn't just being pacifist when I suggested ignoring them. Any good IRC client should have an ignore function which will prevent their little irritations from ever reaching your eyes.
Convince me that ops aren't just a power thing. Convince me that my solution is insufficient.
By thext (cr618396-a.crdva1.bc.wave.home.com - 22.214.171.124) on Saturday, February 13, 1999 - 01:42 pm:
Cthulu - people can surf splits are get ops that way, even if the bots stay in the channel at all times.
Personally, I have rarely had ops in #ans, except for the odd time when Filth or some other smart person spreads them around and I suddenly find myself at the top of the names list.
And well, I never really needed ops.
People say #ans has turned into #ansi. But do you remember who ran #ansi? Does MayTrickZ ring a bell? Stupid fucks that had absolutely NOTHING to do with the art scene. Now at least, ansi artists run the main channel. Except for that BlueDevil guy, anyway... I think that is a major improvement. If a big artist was starting to bash an #ansi op, he'd get banned, because obviously those lamers couldn't handle criticism very well. And that was running for two years. Now at least, the artists that deserve respect have access to the channel. So well, 10-15 ops making sure artists still have access to the channel, and that's it. I think we're getting somewhere now.
Now you all go draw something for the hockey pack :]
By tung lo (anonymous.canadorec.on.ca - 126.96.36.199) on Sunday, February 21, 1999 - 08:09 pm:
By ParallerzKilla (darth.nls.fi - 188.8.131.52) on Monday, February 22, 1999 - 03:35 am:
wHereZ my 0pz?
if yeR not givvin' *em lemme take over the Whole Shit. i'll bAn everyone!
pS. the Warez NUP is also nEededd.
ps2. bl00d in, bl00d out.